Comments on: Refuting Universalism, part 1 http://www.simply-christian.org/blog/2006/06/refuting-universalism-part-1/ Proving all things. Discerning the truth. Wise unto good. Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:17:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Gary Amirault http://www.simply-christian.org/blog/2006/06/refuting-universalism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-18483 Gary Amirault Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:17:25 +0000 http://www.simply-christian.org/blog/2006/06/18/refuting-universalism-part-1/#comment-18483 You wrote:You seem to just bypass all of these plain and clear scriptures which refute your diabolical and false gospel. I looked through your “Reconciliation of All Things” article at http://www.thepathoftruth.com/writings/reconciliation.htm and notice you don’t quote any of the above passages. I wonder why? Gary: Probably for the same reason YOU don't quote passages plainly declaring Universal Salvation when you are trying to prove God is going to torture most of mankind. Furthermore, he may be using better translations than yours which do NOT have all the false Hell passges in them. For your information, there are scores of Bible translations in which you won't find the word Hell once! And even the most hellish newer translations admit the word Hell doesn't appear in the entire Old Testament so you won't find in the NIV, NRSV, NASB for example. The reason Jews don't believe in a Hell of everlasting punishment is because it is NOT IN THEIR BIBLE, it is only is MIStranslated Christian Bibles. One day that error will disappear from all Bible translations. Then YOU will be asked to "repent." Hope that day is soon. You wrote:You seem to just bypass all of these plain and clear scriptures which refute your diabolical and false gospel. I looked through your “Reconciliation of All Things” article at http://www.thepathoftruth.com/writings/reconciliation.htm and notice you don’t quote any of the above passages. I wonder why?

Gary: Probably for the same reason YOU don’t quote passages plainly declaring Universal Salvation when you are trying to prove God is going to torture most of mankind. Furthermore, he may be using better translations than yours which do NOT have all the false Hell passges in them. For your information, there are scores of Bible translations in which you won’t find the word Hell once! And even the most hellish newer translations admit the word Hell doesn’t appear in the entire Old Testament so you won’t find in the NIV, NRSV, NASB for example. The reason Jews don’t believe in a Hell of everlasting punishment is because it is NOT IN THEIR BIBLE, it is only is MIStranslated Christian Bibles. One day that error will disappear from all Bible translations. Then YOU will be asked to “repent.” Hope that day is soon.

]]> By: Jim from OldTruth.com http://www.simply-christian.org/blog/2006/06/refuting-universalism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Jim from OldTruth.com Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:50:34 +0000 http://www.simply-christian.org/blog/2006/06/18/refuting-universalism-part-1/#comment-83 Unfortunately, the Christian Universalists have some pretty clever ways around the obvious scriptures that we would normally use to refute these things. Many of them believe in Hell, but only as a temporary place. Everybody gets out, including the devil. The worse you were, the more time you spend in Hell. Yes I know, it's almost a Catholic purgatory concept, isn't it. So what you have to do is prove that Hell is a permanent place. They try to get around this by saying the Greek word for eternity (Aeon, Aeonian) really means "age lasting". That's actually true, but they say "an age" can never last for forever, we say it can. I've written some more about my experience with a Universalist, on this page: <a href="http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.245" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.245</a> I hope that can help somebody out. --Jim Unfortunately, the Christian Universalists have some pretty clever ways around the obvious scriptures that we would normally use to refute these things. Many of them believe in Hell, but only as a temporary place. Everybody gets out, including the devil. The worse you were, the more time you spend in Hell. Yes I know, it’s almost a Catholic purgatory concept, isn’t it.

So what you have to do is prove that Hell is a permanent place. They try to get around this by saying the Greek word for eternity (Aeon, Aeonian) really means “age lasting”. That’s actually true, but they say “an age” can never last for forever, we say it can.

I’ve written some more about my experience with a Universalist, on this page:
http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.245

I hope that can help somebody out.

–Jim

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